the goals for this are obviously to get more ppl to upgrade. But also do it in a way that feels natural and incentivizes paying for teams. Currently, there is no limit for free users to add cards in a space created by a paid user. There’s a sense that this removes almost all incentives for a team to pay for each user, when instead they could keep having one person make all the spaces and invite free collaborators in when needed.
add a 3 new space limit (which the pre-created inbox and hello space won’t count towards)
remove the exception that allows free users to created unlimited cards on paid user spaces
in the linked discussion, features based paywalls were also suggested, but most of these would likely discourage or prevent ppl from learning about the coolest features. privacy will also not be a paywall feature for the same reason that private spaces is the default, privacy is for everyone.
Just an idea (good or bad?): What about giving paying users something like 500 cards that free users could use on their shared spaces (i.e. spaces shared by the paying user).
This is a relevant point to me. When I was heavily using Kinopio with my team, if free users couldn’t create unlimited cards in my spaces, I would have wanted a mechanism to enable that, and I probably would have considered paying for it. I know this is sort of like Teams, but I would have wanted to own and take care of everything.
I don’t think it would have worked if I asked my team members to upgrade. That would have been a no-go and we probably would have used it until we hit a limit and then abandon the tool.
Leaning towards removing the free cards limit and just having a 3 space limit instead. As a free user that might feel like a less fidgety cutoff point?
had most of the work done in https://github.com/kinopio-club/kinopio-client/pull/649 , but the feedback to this idea was mostly negative.
The consensus was that unlimited cards in 3 spaces would lead to less pressure to upgrade instead of more bc ppl would just fit everything into a single space
If a note-taking app limits free users to 100 cards, I’d consider it a paid-only service. No note-taking app can be used long-term without exceeding that limit. I need to make a quick decision: use it or not. This feels challenging, especially since Kinopio is an app whose benefits become apparent only with frequent use.
If it offered 3 spaces with unlimited cards, I’d consider that sufficient for long-term use, though it might fall short for more demanding needs. Of course, I’m unsure how much of a cost burden this represents. Perhaps 2 spaces would be better—one for personal use and another for joining shared spaces.
My speculated user experience:
I receive an invitation to a Kinopio space
→ It feels promising; I want to explore it further
→ I registered an account and discovered I could create an additional private space
→ I think I can use this long-term
→ I want to join this shared space, but I can’t add more spaces—what a shame. (Repeatedly)
→ I really want to participate in this shared space. I’ll pay!
→ (more)This month I decide to pause my subscription. I choose to keep my private space. Content in the shared space remains, but I can’t add new cards until I meet something worth commenting on next time.
BTW: I suspect what Kinopio needs right now is more users, rather than increasing payment pressure on existing ones? Lower conversion rates but higher total user numbers, paired with higher pricing. I think it’s a good deal.
BTW: The space sharing strategy will significantly impact conversion rates and growth speed. I think it’s worth designing carefully.
totally makes sense, the only thing is that I wouldn’t want to restrict users from joining spaces for two reasons:
the more friction you feel around sharing , the less you’ll do it
the majority of users actually work in solo spaces, so this specific scenario wouldn’t occur to most of them. Personal productivity/planning is a major use case
BTW: I suspect what Kinopio needs right now is more users, rather than increasing payment pressure on existing ones?
the way i’d do that is start existing users off at ‘0 free spaces’ and only increment their spaces count after that
i agree with the switch to free spaces rather than a card limit, this way trying out templates is also easier for free users. i think kinopio’s behavior, even now with better navigation, calls for seperate spaces for different stuff
kinopio doesnt promote everything spaces [ie does promote seperating things into spaces], the ux, discover page, templates, nothing incentivizes that way of use
could technically cycle spaces just by trashing them. its available to restore any time you want.
< there would be guards so that you can’t restore a deleted space if you’re over your limit
If I’m a free user and collab on someone else’s space, that counts towards my 3 free? Can I then remove myself to get that space back? [yes]
