Now that we have Markdown headers, it would be nice to select a few cards and style them as headers. I imagine this would work similar to how there is a button to toggle through todo states. There could be another button that cycles through the different header states (prepending the first line with 0, 1, 2, 3 octothorps.
Can you tell me more about the use case for this?
I see what you mean, but I personally donāt see myself using this. I see md headings as part of the content hierarchy when I make them, so I donāt change them a lot. Since theyāre at the start of the line, itās easy to change them too (unlike bold/italic/code formatting).
Let me give a point against, and a point for.
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I donāt want more buttons in Kinopio (a well recorded fact by now) and I donāt think a āToggle heading levelā button adds enough value for the real-estate it would take up
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I do understand the use case, because I have a few spaces that look like this:
And since #
headings were introduced, Iāve been upgrading my header cards in each space so that they are all #
headings. Paint-select and toggle would have been useful.
But it took me like 10 seconds to do this, so is the button worth it? Not for my use case, maybe for Ben!!
I appreciate the desire to keep the UI uncluttered. Hereās why I think itās worth considering adding this.
I see this functionality akin to adding a frame to a card. Itās a common use case to apply some kind of formatting to a card to make it stand outāoften to make a header. This is exactly what @stegriff mentioned for his ā2 point, but I think it applies much more broadlyānot just when upgrading a pre-Markdown header space. I see Markdown headers as the new primary way to make a header. Itās bold, big, beautiful. So I think it makes sense to make that easier to do.
Also, itās not just for h1 headers. Often when Iām creating a space, Iām adjusting hierarchies, and as part of that, sometimes promoting text to h3 or h2. I also like using h3 to make body text stand out a little since it is a bit more readable. My point is, I find myself adjusting headers more often than it seems the others in this thread
It is not too time consuming to do this manually once or twice, but it does get tedious when more than a few cards. Click, up, up, #, space, click, mouse, click. To me itās similar to toggling todo states, which we do have a button for.
Ben
PS wow, didnāt expect this request to get folks to chime in, love it!
This is a great use case, but Iām curious how you imagine this working in practice, especially if you are bouncing around a bit - āthis one goes to h3, this one to h2ā.
This feels more one-off to where a button doesnāt really remove the tediousness that comes with adding/removing a ā#ā.
Would love to hear more about what these spaces look like and work for you in practice.
Hereās a practical example. Iām listening to a lecture and taking notes. I quickly jot things down, and then start to arrange into an outline. Initially everything is just plain text. I might move categories around as the hierarchy is revealed. Then, at the end, the depth of the outline is apparent, and maybe Iāll want to change the top level headings to h1. So Iād paint select those and click the button. And then I might have a few cards that contain some quotations I want to stand out. Iād go select those and apply the h3 on them.
Iām 3 against 1 at this point, so maybe it is one-off for everyone else. But these are real use cases of mine
That makes complete sense. Wasnāt trying to push back, was just curious.
I wonder if there is a keyboard shortcut that could work for this and other scenarios. Itād be hidden, but maybe thatās okay as a more power-user feature.
Iām thinking if youāve highlighted some cards OR even just in a card typing and do a Ctrl + 1
(or 2 or 3) (since CMD - 1
is already taken) it could make the first line of that card a header. This way it serves your purpose, keeps the UI from getting cluttered, and could be a quick way to make it happen while composing a card, saving some time from typing multiple #
(not that they take that long anywaysā¦)
Side q: How often do you use the select cards -> frames button? I could replace that with a āstyleā options button which would expand to include frames and other bulk decorative options.
The downsides though :
- takes an additional click to access
- slightly less direct
The upsides:
- keeps the upfront number of buttons the same
- scales to more bulk decorative/formatting stuff
Thoughts?
Not too often. 8/10 times, I apply frames to individual cards.
I like this idea a lot. It makes sense to me, now that there are several ways to format a card. You could potentially include bold, italic, code block as formatting options as well with this model.
Frames
ā Aa
work in progress:
Curious, will this be the button view for editing a card as well as selecting groups of cards? Worried about Frames getting buriedā¦
And can Frames come first in the listā¦?
Ya frames can come first,
Only these edits (toggle h1, h2, pick frames)
Technically they will be which isnāt ideal but imo itās a net win - not only for this feature, but the space saved with āAaā will let me add another requested feature later to the multi-selection dialog
Are you planning to add:
- comment
- bold
- italic
- code
No just h1 and h2, this is formatting for making headline cards primarily, at least in this version